I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Ms. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Her mother was married to my uncle. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. It was total shock. We've received your submission. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? No show. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! That woman has no soul. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. Just one example. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Media galore. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. You took my family all in one night," she said. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Im dying. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. It was Patricias hair no question. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. It has very bad energy. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. "You knew how the Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Not everything is a conspiracy. But none of those charges ever stuck. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. It seems so, according to you. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. And NOBODY saw her at all? She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. (Nope. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. I dont think so. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said.