I get how powerful wiccan is i really do but LMAO WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOI DOING TO THE UNKINDNESS, @yungbaby: Shes the ultimate villain of the DC multiverse, it happened during the future state event. Hence Demiurge never played any part in it's creation. Wiccan was featured in the HeroClix figure game. In Pistis Sophia, Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. The law of necessary procession and the eternity of the universe (ch.3). pantheism). Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. The group travels to New York to discuss what they should do, but they are found by Ms. Altman, and defeated. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. So destroying a universe is his best actual feat not his worst. In the Nag Hammadi text On the Origin of the World, the three sons of Yaldabaoth are listed as Yao, Eloai, and Astaphaios.[31]. As long as they are near their parents or the location of their parent's deaths, they will be in danger. During a trap laid by Iron Man and the pro-registration heroes, in which they planned to immediately take out the resistance's teleporters - Cloak & Wiccan - Wiccan was captured and sent to the N-Zone prison for his involvement with the underground Avengers. Wiccan hoped that revealing their existence to Wanda would help her regain her sanity and return to the Avengers. In Battle of the Atom, a future version of the X-Men was depicted operating out of the Jean Grey School. 22022: "Short statement of the doctrine of the three hypostasis, the One, Intellect and Soul; there cannot be more or fewer than these three. As "Asgardian" he limited his abilities to that of flight and lightning projection. Billy was impressed with the magical capabilities of Sylvie Lushton, aka Enchantress. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. The Young Avengers were lured into a trap set by the Young Masters, who were waiting with Osborn's Dark Avengers to take down the YA. He IS omniversal. @j2111: It's a twitter post by Kieron Gillen look it up yourself. Their search took them to various significant locations to the Scarlet Witch, finally ending at the former home that she shared with the Vision. Dude The Unkindness negs I can break this down if you want, and I talked too both authors . Emil Cioran also wrote his Le mauvais dmiurge ("The Evil Demiurge"), published in 1969, influenced by Gnosticism and Schopenhauerian interpretation of Platonic ontology, as well as that of Plotinus. And how many more times to I have to tell you the visual depiction of interacting with comic panels does not matter? They go to the Uncanny Avengers for help, but they too fall under the influence of the parasite. The demiurge is also described as a creator in the Platonic (c.31090 BC) and Middle Platonic (c.90 BCAD 300) philosophical traditions. Barely universal like I said the whole time? The Demiurge who created the elder gods is not even the same entity, as the writer who came up with this nonsense for Wiccan confirmed, the great old ones that pic talks about appear to be the many-angled-ones, who are not even the same as earths elder gods created by the demiurge and again get over the fact that it shows him with comic panels, that has happened with lesser characters, what he actually does in that scan is wipe out one being from another dimension mostly powered by Billys standard powers and transport a bunch of fodder back through the portal they were right next to. It was during this time that Iron Lad's future self, Kang the Conqueror arrived to bring Iron Lad back to the future and convince him to accept his destiny. The performance might range from a nudge to a certain existential state or outcome, to modified every reality in existence. The true believer in Christ entered into God's kingdom, the unbeliever remained forever the slave of the Demiurge.[28]. Philo had inferred from the expression "Let us make man" of the Book of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to his helpers in the work of creation.[17]. Whereas Plato's Demiurge is good wishing good on his creation, Gnosticism contends that the Demiurge is not only the originator of evil but is evil as well. The Young Avengers later encountered both Kate Bishop and the daughter of the late Ant Man (Scott Lang), Cassie Lang. It's also not in English like normal. Though the former understanding certainly enjoys the greatest popularity, the identification of Plotinus' opponents as Gnostic is not without some contention. He and Teddy decided to work with her, and took her out on a training mission against Hydra squadrons. The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis. . When Hulkling is hurt during the battle, Billy uses his powers to put the Sons into comas. Christ, in reality, is the Son of the Good God. In Middle Platonist and Numenius's Neo-Pythagorean cosmogenies, the Demiurge is second God as the nous or thought of intelligibles and sensibles[4] (Middle Platonism and Neo-Pythagoreanism overlapped: both originating in the early 1st century BC and extending through to the end of the 2nd century AD or even into the 3rd century). 3. Not to mention we never get a reason why a chump like Loki would know this when all kinds of greater beings and entities appear to be unaware. It has been demonstrated that without the ability to hear his own words, the spell cannot be cast, though other uses of his powers have been done seemingly effortlessly and without words. In the Apocryphon of John, Yaldabaoth is also known as both Sakla and Samael. [49] In the ninth tractate of the second of his Enneads, Plotinus criticizes his opponents for their appropriation of ideas from Plato: From Plato come their punishments, their rivers of the underworld and the changing from body to body; as for the plurality they assert in the Intellectual Realmthe Authentic Existent, the Intellectual-Principle, the Second Creator and the Soulall this is taken over from the Timaeus. Demiurge. After they teleported, there was also a huge lightning bolt that staggered the Avengers. 1618).". The main character refers to the Demiurge as the entity who "fashioned and shaped" the material world. [28][43] In this most common form of Gnosticism the Demiurge had an inferior though not intrinsically evil function in the universe as the head of the animal, or psychic world. "[47], Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. His brother Tommy, who was a trained sorcerer, assisted the Avengers and the two fought each other until their father the Vision intercepted and destroyed Ultron, ending the battle. She was playing with them when Doctor Strange met her in the tower. His powers thus far have manifested on a localized scale in a variety of ways through the upper limit of his powers has yet to be seen. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world. View full history. Understanding that there was no choice, Iron lad returned to the future, bidding his teammates farewell. The team arrived at the Avenger's Tower and with the help of the newly reformed Vision, located additional assistance to rescue Hulkling. After a dangerous and adventure-filled trip through the multiverse, the team ventures to Mother's dimension to rescue Teddy. Iamblichus describes the One as a monad whose first principle or emanation is intellect (nous), while among "the many" that follow it there is a second, super-existent "One" that is the producer of intellect or soul (psyche). [28][42] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sopha the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatr, or Supreme God. Thus Sophia's power becomes enclosed within the material forms of humanity, themselves entrapped within the material universe: the goal of Gnostic movements was typically the awakening of this spark, which permitted a return by the subject to the superior, non-material realities which were its primal source. He joined Ultron in attacking the Avengers. The team is quickly defeated even after the team of Initiative recruits arrive. It is eventually revealed by Agatha Harkness that Billy and Tommy were subconsciously created by Wanda through the use of Chaos Magic, and cannot exist outside of Westview. Another alternative title for the demiurge is "Saklas", Aramaic for "fool". The Super-Skrull killed Hulkling's foster mother and captured Hulkling to his ship to take him back to the Skrull Empire. He comes from heaven, and it is said his "face flashed with fire and [his] appearance was defiled with blood". Prodigy contacts the younger members of the X-Men at the Jean Grey School, and word gets around quickly. This type of spellcasting has its flaws obviously. Iron Lad had used a system he found in the remains of the Vision which helped locate alternative members for the Avengers for the next generation. Not to mention the fact that he as the demiurge was drawn by America in said Made in a USA comic run before Catalina showed up. Gnosticism attributed falsehood or evil to the concept of the Demiurge or creator, though in some Gnostic traditions the creator is from a fallen, ignorant, or lesserrather than evilperspective, such as that of Valentinius. Fact is Demiurge Wiccan is actually barely universal, as we have seen him when controlled by a villain need like twenty years to destroy a single universe clearly not affecting anything across time or the like in the process. When Loki teleports away, seemingly abandoning the team, Wiccan sees no choice but to kill himself in order to end his spell, but is saved by Loki's return. The latest Tweets from Billy Kaplan (@Wiccan_Demiurge). This sudden outburst of powers worries the Avengers, who think that it may lead to Wiccan having a mental breakdown similar to that of the Scarlet Witch. Hence that did contradict it. Later, the Neoplatonist Iamblichus changed the role of the "One", effectively altering the role of the Demiurge as second cause or dyad, which was one of the reasons that Iamblichus and his teacher Porphyry came into conflict. The Valentinian theory elaborates that from Achamoth (he kt sopha or lower wisdom) three kinds of substance take their origin, the spiritual (pneumatiko), the animal (psychiko) and the material (hyliko). Wiccan and the others were eventually rescued by their teammates and continued avoiding registration. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/raven-the-unkindness-respect-thread-2156619/, There's more too by the way I have not 100% updates that thread, Demiurge Wiccan is above time and reality, and the multiverse. Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily the same as the creator figure in the monotheistic sense, because the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are both considered consequences of something else. He also is vitally important in Avengers: Children's Crusade (which is more or less an unofficial volume of . However, strange things begin to occur with the children, who rapidly age from infancy to school age through unknown means. Unkindness wins. Completely knocks out the Wrecking Crew. writes, "There is a direct link between ancient Gnosticism and Catharism. [34], The angelic name "Ariel" (Hebrew: 'the lion of God')[35] has also been used to refer to the Demiurge and is called his "perfect" name;[36] in some Gnostic lore, Ariel has been called an ancient or original name for Ialdabaoth. It was other people that had a problem with him. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. In a fight with Doctor Doom, both Cassie and Vision are killed. This tradition of creator God as nous (the manifestation of consciousness), can be validated in the works of pre-Plotinus philosophers such as Numenius, as well as a connection between Hebrew and Platonic cosmology (see also Philo).[11]. When Billy leaves the team, Sunspot gifts him a NYC penthouse for he and Hulking to retire to. None of which are multivetsal. Sam Wilson and his newly Inverted Avengers shrunk all the gathered heroes down using Pym particles extracted from the Wasp (presumably against her will) and trapped them all in one of Hank Pym's microscopic ant farms, thereby taking care of the "liability". It's literally all from the same run. Comic Vine users. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. A bit desperate too. Wiccan continued as a member of the Young Avengers (now including Tommy as "Speed") until the events of Civil War and the Superhero Registration Act forced the team to go underground as part of Captain America's anti-registration team of superheroes. Plato, as the speaker Timaeus, refers to the Demiurge frequently in the Socratic dialogue Timaeus (28a ff. The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. All you do is scream the same thing over and over contradicting yourself. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in an unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. The Valentinian Heracleon[46] interpreted the devil as the principle of evil, that of hyle (matter). As the Demiurge, Wiccan has the power to shape reality to his will. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. Youre really trying to use a brand new scan that hasnt been explained in a still unfinished story. @j2111: @imquentin: And since all those nonsensical statements we've seen this lame deus ex machina in actual effect in New Avengers. The true doctrine about Universal Soul and the goodness of the universe which it forms and rules (chs. Wiccan and Hulkling are thrown into a prison outside their dimension, but are rescued by Loki.